Talk:Telling Time (3.5e Feat)

AoO

I am fully aware this feat make it impossible for you to provoke attack of opportunity, unless convinced otherwise this seem like a nonissue. --Leziad (talk) 02:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It also blocks counter spelling, interrupting a spell with a readied action, and setting an attack against a charge. And it's not at all clear how this interacts with 1-round+ actions. So while I don't care about AoO so much, there's some other weirdness in here that probably needs looking at. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 02:54, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I found a way to break it. Obtain NI level 6 creatures with this feat (followers, golems, skeletons, whatever). Take NI turns as they all give you their turns. Get killed by rocks falling on you. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 02:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Eiji what? Also Tarkis, I am more than willing to word it better and eliminate some weirdness. Also counter spelling kind of suck. I may allow readied actions though. --Leziad (talk) 03:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Eiji, you crazy. Someone else having this feat and allowing you to take an action doesn't give you an action, it just lets you spend available actions during their turn. You'd need NI actions to spend NI actions during NI "creatures with this feat"s turn. Which is NA in the current context AFAICT. Letter soup is fun.

Leziad, I'm not even sure what you think of as a normal usage for this feat. It applies not only to you, but also to all of your allies since you should be aware of most of the enemies. What sort of things do you want blocked? - Tarkisflux ^Talk 03:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It mainly blocks immediate actions. Also, it does not block AoOs, because AoOs do not require an action. --DanielDraco (talk) 03:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed it mostly used to block immediate actions, such as celerity and stuff. Also I think DD is right, AoO does not seem to require an action. Similarly readied action doesn't seem to count either. --Leziad (talk) 04:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Found the problem. Rolled a 1 on a Reading check. Ok, you have avoided the Infinity Hole. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 04:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

In order to avoid semantic arguments, I have added "immediate" to the action description in the feat text. And made it work off turn so you just don't provoke them ever. Please edit that out if it's not desired. - Tarkisflux ^Talk 04:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

As originally written, it would block readied actions. While a readied action does not require an action to initiate (like with celerity), it is still an action. Quoth SRD: "Then, any time before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition." So in the middle of someone else's round, you take a standard action, or a move action, or a free action. And since it is taking an action, the original form of this would block it. --DanielDraco (talk) 04:46, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Alright I shall edit that in a bit later. --Leziad (talk) 05:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Spells

Woah. I hope that dangling modifier is supposed to mean that immediate actions, spells, and contingency are only prevented during your turn -- because this can easily be read to mean that the opponent cannot use immediate actions or cast spells. Ever. --DanielDraco (talk) 14:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah just during your turn. Let me clarify that. --Leziad (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2012 (UTC)