Talk:Sublime Singer (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

Damage Calculation

How do you know what words of creation doubles? If it only doubles the base amount, why is the vest of legends included before the multiplier? Is there some rule that explains what words of creation will double? 2601:8:2280:940:8117:C51:E2BD:AC4F 21:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes. This is what the build assumes. --Ghostwheel (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Right, but then why include the vest of legends if it only doubles the base? I've asked around for a second opinion on the calculation and someone else said that words of creation might double everything except the Badge of Valor, since they all apply before you begin the Bardic Music effect and the Badge of Valor is activated afterwards. 24.127.27.4 02:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Because it implicitly increases the base. It increases your effective bard level. It's not part of the series of +1s afterwards. It can't be "doubled" because it's just a straight increase. --Ghostwheel (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Spells

Quote: Ability to cast spells as a level 9 bard in addition to level 9 spells from Sublime Chord. (After entering Sublime Chord, have all further Virtuoso levels add to its spellcasting.)

One person (unnamed contributor by an IP address) says that this does not work. Anybody care to explain in detail how it works here? Havvy 19:15, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

If you read Virtuoso, it explains there. --Ghostwheel 19:21, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Draconic Heritage

How did you take the Draconic Heritage feat if it requires a level of Sorceror? Karuma 07:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Dragontouched feat. --Ghostwheel 15:41, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Ratings

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	Samahyas favors this article and rated it 4 of 4!
	excellent class, I loved the way it was crafted so have a doubt How is it possible to cast spells from the list of wizards?

The Sublime Chord PrC states in its spellcasting section that it can choose spells from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, and if the spell is on both lists you can use it at the level it is for the bard (it is often advantageous to do so, with the irresistible dance example being foremost). - TG Cid (talk) 03:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

	MisterSinister likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
	Actually a very cool use of Bard, which I would consider wholly-appropriate and playable 1-20 in a VH game. Good job!

Feats at the Lv 01

As you can have three feats in the first level?

 By taking flaws, you can get additional feats at first level