Talk:Hellkin (3.5e Race)

Ratings

	Eiji-kun likes this article and rated it 3 of 4.
	It's the greater tiefling! Looks solid, ECL 2, and ready to go.

Blocked Rating	Ghostwheel dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.
	This rating refers to a substantially different version of the article, or concerns mentioned in it have already been addressed.Even if everything was filled out, it feels too strong for LA +1 including everything they get.

1st: Rating an unfinished article is no bueno. 2nd: I am not incredibly moved by the reason given by the rating. There way stronger race in both WotC and on the wiki. The only reason I haven't bothered to block your rating is because I will finish it in like an hour top, still next time wait until it finished before rating something please. --Leziad (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to disagree; ratings are, for the most part, subjective. That said, unless you can objectively prove that this race is not strong for +1 LA (which is going to be difficult to do, as it's pretty subjective), I don't think you can block my rating. And regardless, my rating is relevant with the information thus far placed on the race, and even if all flavor text was filled in, it still makes sense. --Ghostwheel (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't going to block your rating because I disagree with it, I would have blocked it because it a WIP that is being worked on. I posted he stats for feedback and changed it many time so far. WIP that are being worked on are too unstable and well unfinished to rate with any consistency, it just bothersome for everyone involved because if I change enough stuff I will have to block all the ratings on it with |block=NewVersion and that just annoying. I respect your opinion, but please wait a bit. By example I was also planning a paragon class and who know what feature on this page are going to be moved to the paragon class.

As for rating being subjective, indeed I couldn't block (and wouldn't, saw me block a rating I din't agree with) but we need to keep in mind that rating exist both as constructive criticism and to help other users ascertain opinion on articles (at least that what I got from the guideline). Pointing out which part is too much in your rating would be very helpful, because so far I get: "It too much stuff" which frankly to me sound like nonsense because they get less features than SRD dwarves do. --Leziad (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem with blocking it for a new version. And half the stuff that dwarves get is close to useless. (Stoncunning? Poison resistance? Bonus on craft and appraise? Etc.) --Ghostwheel (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Im just saying it trouble to rate an article before it finished, it goes to too much changes. I would argue dwarves get some very very good bonuses, alongside all that misc stuff. I was just saying that if someone was to read your complaint first hand, it would sound a lot like "there is too much stuff" opposed to "these resistances and breath weapon make you way too good at the start compared to everyone else" which is more concrete. In any case carry on. --Leziad (talk) 22:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Fill In

Pretty good, missing a few things though...

"Although some hellkins manage to escape servitude and " And?

Also, 8 skill points/level. 6 class skills. Oops. -- Eiji-kun (talk) 03:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)