Talk:Greater Invulnerable Shield (3.5e Spell)

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Ganteka Future is neutral on this article and rated it 2 of 4.

Unless I'm missing something here, I just can't see the dislike others are getting for this article. There are lots of counters to this sort of thing available as level appropriate effects in Very High games. The big cookie of course, is the Spellcraft check failing or being unaccessible by the opposing forces. All in all, there could be problems here but otherwise, I see this working. That said, I probably wouldn't likely use it myself but would recommend it to others as a possibility, so I'm neutral on it.

DanielDraco dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.

Look at this glass bauble here. Its hardness and hit points are well within half my caster level. Now look at the triple-reinforced adamantine bars (with 1-foot-wide spaces to preserve line of effect) that I have placed it behind. Those, unfortunately, have exorbitant health and hit points. Oh, you're a melee fighter? Well have fun whittling away at the adamantium while I kill you. The idea is solid and cool, but so long as invulnerability is possible, there will always be a way to abuse it. You can only make the required method more contrived.

I find it entirely acceptable to force the melee fighter to pull out a large cloth instead of solving yet another problem with stabs in a VH game. --Foxwarrior (talk) 04:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Then this dislike unfortunately will stay. In a game where only a very few classes get significant horizontal growth, I do not find the threat of complete impotence for any vertical path acceptable, no matter the balance point. The melee fighter must be able to solve all problems with stabs, because stabs are more or less all he has. --DanielDraco (talk) 00:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Humanoid Fighters, at least, can in fact get hold of large cloths. --Foxwarrior (talk) 04:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about with the large cloths, but I won't ask; the point stands regardless of the specific example. --DanielDraco (talk) 03:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

It's ended by blocking line of sight or effect to it. Thus, a large cloth can serve as a counter to this spell. --Foxwarrior (talk) 04:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I could point out why that isn't a problem, but I think the more important rebuttal here is to ask why the hell a fighter would be carrying around a large cloth, or an umbrella, or anything of the sort. It's like throwing an enemy at them who is completely invulnerable to everything but grape Jell-O – yes technically you can say "Oh well you could easily have beaten them if you had just brought along a tub of grape Jell-O," but that does not make the expectation anything resembling reasonable. --DanielDraco (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Eiji-kun dislikes this article and rated it 1 of 4.

I see what you were trying to do here, and I respect it. BBEG can only die if his magic sword breaks. Things of that sort. Unfortunately this doesn't really work. Besides having it out of the hands of major puzzle villians, I can just say the object is my suit of armor, which can't be targetted with sunder short of a bebelith. Or better, something small and innocuous like a button on my shirt. Plus, what happens when you sleep? Won't you lose sight of, well, everything? I'm not sure this should be a spell, so much as the effect on some artifact or unique magical item.

If you come within 10 feet of the item, the spell ends. If you sleep, you'd better learn to sleep with your eyes open, or the spell will end. A Spellcraft check can identify which item is the object. --Foxwarrior 17:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Wait, I thought it said you had to keep it within 10 ft of you. Actually, that might be worse... I make the object the sun. It doesn't have hardness, I see it for 12 hours out of the day, and I'll never be within 10 feet of it. And no one can break it. In the day run around and headbutt the Lady of Pain, at night or on overcast days retreat to my fortress of solitude and wait 12 hours. -- Eiji-kun 21:31, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

And then someone defeats you with an umbrella. --Foxwarrior 21:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

And to do that you need to be within close range of the sun for 2 hours. at the lowest level this can be cast, thats 45 ft away. from the sun. Grog toad (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2016 (UTC)