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::::As for ability scores, we can do it like we do skills right now and just have a string property that we assign multiple values to. They will all show in the table, and you can sort by them, and when we get the full semantic Special:BrowseData up they will even be text searchable (though you could do custom tables for it already anyway, it's just more of a pain). The +2 / -2 any stat ones will just be an entry that links to the generic SRD stat page instead of a specific stat section and isn't any harder to set as the property value than anything else. In the preloads, it'll probably look like the skills do for the classes (with the exception that you need to set numbers) in that you just delete the ones you aren't using for the race. Should be pretty easy actually, just time consuming. - [[User:Tarkisflux|TarkisFlux]] 18:07, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well Tarkis, LA is really only half the story with race power. Sure, a vast majority of races are just LA races with no HD. While, as the example, [[Deathly Asutas http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Asuta_(3.5e Race5e_Race)|deathly asutas]&oldid=30189 asuta] use a racial progression to achieve its full racial power, it doesn't have LA, so listing it as LA +6 is grossly inaccurate. Listing it as LA 0 is closer to fair, as it can be used as an LA 0 race with the variant, but then, I think for the time being, I'm the only one venturing into racial progression territory for races (since there are problems inherent with its design philosophy). Anyways, before I get too distracted, I suppose I should mention that there are races that have both LA and racial HD (and don't use racial HD progressions). [[Uberich (3.5e Race)|Uberich]] have 4 racial HD and LA 1, being ECL 5. Not listing both ECL and LA is just going to be troublesome for people doing searches. Yeah, in the past, I've gotten a lot of funny remarks from people about the [[Deathly Asutas http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Asuta_(3.5e Race5e_Race)|deathly asutas]&oldid=30189 asuta], mostly along the lines of "there is ''no'' way this has no LA" and "are you out of your mind?" before I point out the ECL when people do searches by LA. Now I've lost my train of thought. Did any of that make sense? --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] 18:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
::::::It makes sense I guess... it just hurts my brain. I had forgotten about (or actively ignored) [[SRD:Improving_Creatures#Level_Adjustment_and_Effective_Character_Level|the stupid rule]] where racial hit dice count the same as class levels for determining minimum xp levels. So yeah, you need account for ECL and LA when making a character for a game. We should probably keep the ECL in the table and go through the races to make sure that the ECLs for everything are accurate. But not now, I need to go have a cry about this rule first. - [[User:Tarkisflux|TarkisFlux]] 23:29, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
