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::::::I legitimately don't understand what your problem is here, Ideasmith. If you don't like the idea of casting [Evil] spells risking an alignment change, take your umbrage to WotC who printed it in Complete Scoundrel under the Malconvoker class (which this feat is designed to replace). If your playgroup doesn't use that rule, great! Ignore it! [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 22:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::'''"If you don't like"''' I am surprised you bring up my (alleged) opinion of that rule; isn't it obvious I don't know enough about it for said opinion to be worth mentioning?
:::::::'''"take your umbrage to WotC"''' WotC spelled out which books were needed to play in the Player's Handbook, page 5. I am not blaming that game company for discretionary books being treated as needed to play. They would have had to behave wrongly to prevent such, and I am not taking "umbrage" at them for failing to do so. In fact, I am not taking umbrage at anyone over this.
:::::::'''"Ignore it"''' That's what I was doing before this conversation started, am doing when not thinking about this conversation, and will be doing when this conversation is over. (Not having read any of the books this rule appears in makes it easier to ignore.) The reason I don't entirely ignore it during this conversation is that Leziad made paying some attention to it needful for understanding this feat. That limits my ability to ignore it during this conversation.
:::::::'''"I legitimately don't understand what your problem is here"''' As far as I've noticed, I have no problem here. I am having an interesting and useful discussion, and have hopes that everyone else involved also finds it interesting and useful.
:::::::That said, it looks like high time to spell out what I am suggesting and why I consider it a good idea:
::::::::I am suggesting that Leziad add a notice to this article spelling out which relevant discretionary books are assumed to be in use.
::::::::One likely advantage is that gamers who would otherwise like this feat would be less apt to be put off by the opening words. (Knowing which discretionary books (if any) are assumed can prevent unfortunate/confusing assumptions.)
::::::::Another likely advantage is that Leziad is less apt to see confused reactions on this talk page. (In my experience, people who post on talk pages on this site don't always think to first read what's already on the talk page.) [[User:Ideasmith|Ideasmith]] ([[User talk:Ideasmith|talk]]) 23:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
