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:You can top it up with a simplified example of childbirth itself which should probably be Fortitude saves vs various complications, which should be semi-easily resolved with Heal checks. Enough that it's a non-issue with a doctor, but only a small but dangerous chance if you're giving birth in the woods alone. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] ([[User talk:Eiji-kun|talk]]) 21:36, 5 December 2017 (MST)
==Wizard/Sorcerer 9==
Why is this 9th level for sorcerers/wizards? --[[User:Ganteka Future|Ganteka Future]] ([[User talk:Ganteka Future|talk]]) 06:22, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:If wizards weren’t the standard explanation for hybrids, it wouldn’t be on their list at all. By analogy with reincarnate and raise dead. I compromised and put it at 9th level. [[User:Ideasmith|Ideasmith]] ([[User talk:Ideasmith|talk]]) 19:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::You can get the same effect from [[SRD:Polymorph Any Object|Polymorph Any Object]] though, which is 8th level (and way stronger overall). [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] ([[User talk:Surgo|talk]]) 20:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Whether [[SRD:Polymorph Any Object|Polymorph Any Object]] can be used to create previously-unknown hybrids seems to be up to the DM. I’m pretty sure it can’t make the target pregnant, whether by a specified individual or otherwise. [[User:Ideasmith|Ideasmith]] ([[User talk:Ideasmith|talk]]) 19:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC).
::::I have now dropped this from the Sorcerer/Wizard list. There are better ways to let wizards create hybrids.
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:::I had some more thoughts during work today that I wanted to chime in with for you to use. I would continue to build on the 3 trimester rule set that I mentioned before. In the first trimester a mother takes a -2 penalty on all balance, jump climb, swim and tumble checks. This penalty increases to -6 in the second trimester and -10 in the third trimester. Then have a rule where in the first trimester if they're able to spend 10% more on food for a meal (for more portion) than she reduces her penalty on such checks by 2. In the second trimester she must spend 25% more on meals to get the reduction and in the third trimester she must spend 33% more on meals to get the 2 reduction. This effect lasts only until the next meal time and if shes able to spend more on an extra portion again she gains that reduction to these penalties. Also I second Eiji's ideas for death of baby for mass damage and also for special made armor in the third trimester that costs X% more. Also, I would consider out right completely banning tumble in the third trimester. [[User:The-Marksman|The-Marksman]] ([[User talk:The-Marksman|talk]]) 15:39, 6 December 2017 (MST)
::::If you had actually claimed to agree with “everyone’s sentiments”, I would be asking how you managed to simultaneously agree with Luigifan18, Tarkisflux, and Qwertyu63. Who seriously disagree with one another.
::::If I had actually said that PCs couldn’t get pregnant without magic, wouldn’t you have quoted me saying that? Instead you quoted: ”PCs can totally get pregnant (and get others pregnant). I even suggested (and linked to) spells designed to make it easy for would-be parents to have children.” If I had actually specified ‘without magic’ or words to that effect, then it would have been a direct contradiction. But I didn’t.
::::What gave you the idea that the authorship of the fertility magic had any effect on whether the target could get pregnant? Or whether the magic was a spell for that matter?
::::If either or both of a character’s parents had “one or more levels in any PC class”, then they needed magical help to have a child. If neither of them did, then these rules don’t say, since they are about “adventurer pregnancy”, not non-adventurer pregnancy.
::::However compelling and flavorful more realistic pregnancy rule are, they risk abortion arguments becoming game-relevant. Because they can result in characters who do not wish to be pregnant (which includes most adventurers) nevertheless getting pregnant.
::::Spells cast on a pregnant or stork-touched person or baby which make the eventual adult more powerful? This could cause problems, depending on the groups gaming style. If someone likes both my pregnancy rules and your spell ideas, I don’t know of any reason not to use both. If you like any of the ideas enough to write them up as spells, then, hey, you do you.
::::Oops. I forgot that not everyone uses Dragon Magazine’s suggestion (in issue 44, page 16) that Humans and Elves are the same species. I will add clarification to the ''lesser stork call'' spell.
::::If the Giant Eagle and the Whale were both adult, willing, and conscious, then, per [[Fantasy_Genetics_(3.5e_Variant_Rule) | my Fantasy Genetics rules elsewhere on this site]], “Use common sense, the amalgam template from Green Ronin Advanced Bestiary, or some other template that can combine the two kindreds”. Of course, DMs who do not care for my fantasy genetic rules can find another set, or make up their own.
:::: ''[[Stork_Call_(3.5e_Spell) | Stork Call]]'' affects “2 adult, conscious, living, willing creatures of the same type &/or subtype.” (Humans and Elves share a type, both being Humanoid.) Unfortunately, Ogres and Humans share neither type nor subtype. A DM could rule that they are the same species.
::::Someone who always waits until a problem exists to make plans to solve it is too irresponsible to be in charge of anything important Imagine if NASA hadn’t bothered to prepare for the problems of living in outer space until there was actually someone in outer space. That would have been too late, wouldn’t it have?
::::Preventing people from complaining about politics was not one of my goals for this article. Since you chose to bring this subject up: D&D players were very probably complaining about politics at the very time you wrote that they weren’t. I base this statement on my knowledge concerning how many D&D players there are and my knowledge concerning how apt they are to complain about politics.
::::You seem fond of complication in the name of realism. I, on the other hand, dislike it. If what I wanted was complexity in the name of realism, this system would have more if it than the commercial pregnancy systems I own copies of, not less.
:::: “How does someone have the right to complain about the rules if you're just trying to make an accurate representation of real life pregnancy?” By being a player of D&D, not a student of obstetrics. There is absolutely, positively, such a thing as too much realism about the human body in a D&D game.
::::Three trimesters feels too sciencey . I am writing rules for a fantasy game here, not a science fiction game.
::::Those 5.42 years might well be covered in a single session. Or as part of a single session. Staying safe at home gets covered quickly in D&D.
::::I think it makes perfect sense for new parents who’ve been exhausted for 2.2 years to still be exhausted. Why should giving birth be restful? I agree that being exhausted is the same as being exhausted.
::::Is the target of a ''[[SRD:Contagion| contagion]]'' spell “counted as filthy” just because the disease the caster chose to inflict was filth fever? Should it matter whether the target is in a royal castle?
::::The father is at risk of Filth Fever for the same reason the mother is. She didn’t get injured in the birth either.
::::Any decent healer can autoprevent that Constitution damage. I’m not trying to kill off characters, just fostering fitting concern about labor. I am '''absolutely''' not trying to kill gamemasters or players.
::::The “conduits between this seed and the parents through which the baby gains nourishment and growth” are not stated to have any range limits. They do not have any range limits. So ‘2 towns over’ doesn’t matter.
::::The Constitution damage is in addition to the filth fever, using an extremely well known sense of the word ‘and’.
:::: Why do you say “overlooked”? I own a fair number of sets of pregnancy rules, most of them for D&D.
::::Making the parents eat more is a great idea. Though I’ll probably just say they need twice as much food and water and let the starvation and thirst rules do the rest. Less work for the DM that way.
