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Converted Venom

As Venom is a classification for a toxin taken in through a wound, creatures that previously had a "Poisonous" Attack of some sort, whether it be a bite, barb, or some other delivery method, are now considered to have a Venomous Bite. It's largely a superficial change, altering the name in particular, but the exact nature of the different creature's venom is now different as well. This chapter covers a method by which you can convert nearly any venom established into this system and have it operate well enough. For convenience there will also be a large list of Venom's from Monster Manual's 1-5 listed that you can reference instead of needing to convert yourself.

Venom Adaption Formula

With formula's to determine manufactured poisons, venom, and toxins, there's always the question of how you adapt the natural venom of creatures. In any stat block where an animal or magical beast has a Poisonous (now Venomous) attack, use the following information to determine the new properties; Duration, Damage per round, and any additional effects such as attribute damage. Double the largest damage die between the primary and secondary damage and then divide by Four, this serves as the duration of the poison.

2*(Largest Damage Die)/4 = Venom Duration

The 'Largest Damage Die' in this equation is represented by the poison you're converting, if it can do d6 Strength Damage, then use 6, if it can do d8 Dexterity damage, use 8. If it does multiple dice worth of damage, this holds no bearing, and is based solely on the largest die. If the Venom doesn't do damage, such as in the case of Drow Venom, Homunculus venom, pseudodragon Venom, etc, then the factors are determined with the following formula.

2*(Largest Die) = Incubation Time

Incubation time is a variation, as these examples of venom don't perform their effects over a course of time, instead they have a duration of time before a non-damaging effect will kick in, such as paralysis, sleep, etc. In examples where it doesn't specify a Die, but does specify a period of time, simply use that instead. Duration of these non-damaging effects is rolled as normal, if it says to roll 2d4 for how long a victim is asleep, roll 2d4 for the period of time that the victim is asleep. Effects such as this that induce sleep, paralysis, unconsciousness, etc, entitle the victim to a Second save at the end of the incubation similar to Vanilla Poison rules.

The maximum damage per turn that a venom will deal is determined by the maximum attribute damage the original poison is capable of. This is compounded, meaning that if the poison does different types of Attribute damage, it is all totaled for the conversion, these two factors together determine a very rough version of the Adapted Venom. Total the maximum damage to all attributes the poison is capable of, and divide by two.

Max Attribute Damage/2 = Damage per Round

Venom has some nasty effects on the body, and this is shown by the amount of damage they do over the course of their duration, as well as a tad bit of Attribute damage. Attribute damage is determined by the Initial and Secondary damage types they have. For each 1 Dice of damage it would do to an attribute, it deals 1 damage to said attribute instead of rolling for it. Examples below.

Black Adder Venom normally deals 1d6 Constitution as both primary and secondary damage. Between the primary and secondary damage is Two Dice worth of damage, thus it deals 2 constitution damage over its duration.

Wyvern Venom normally deals 2d6 Constitution damage as both primary and secondary damage. Between the primary and secondary damage is Four dice worth of damage, thus it deals 4 constitution damage over its duration.

What does 'Over its duration' mean you may be wondering, straightforwardly enough this means that Attribute damage is dealt progressively instead of a resulting penalty after the duration is up. Progressive damage is handled by Dividing the Duration by the Attribute Damage, the resulting number is a set of rounds to work with, after each instance or set of rounds, 1 damage is dealt to the attribute in question.

Duration/Attribute Damage = Attribute Damage Instances

Examples:

Black Adder Venom: 6 Round Duration, 2 Con Damage. 6/2 = 3, every 3 rounds, 1 Con Damage is induced until they have taken a total of 2 Con Damage.

Wyvern Venom: 12 Round Duration, 4 Con Damage. 12/4 = 3, every 3 rounds 1 Con Damage is induced until the target has taken a total of 4 Con Damage.

The reason that the attribute damage is dealt progressively is to give incentive towards the use of Antitoxins, stronger Antitoxins that can immediately end the effects of a venom are valuable as they not only prevent the Attribute damage, but also the damage per round that toxins do. Incubation operates somewhat similarly to Duration when interacting with Antitoxins, where in a Damage/Round venom or poison an Antitoxin will cut off a certain amount of rounds from the duration based on the Antitoxin in question's potency, an Incubation shouldn't be shortened, instead the resulting effect is impacted by the Antitoxin. If an Antitoxin elixir is used for example, it will negate all of the effects, lesser antitoxins will reduce the effects by a proportionate amount, but this requires a little bit of math to determine the precise factors.

Venom DC is a tricky one to determine, some have perfectly serviceable DC's, but a basic formula to adapt with is similar to calculating Poison DC in the other chapters.

10 + (+1 Or CR of the Creature with Venom) + (+1 per 2 Damage/Round) + (1 per 2 Attribute Damage) = Venom Save DC If the venom uses nonlethal factors, such as Homunculus and Drow Venom, replace the Damage/Round and Attribute, use the Max Duration of the Effect/2 instead. This number cannot exceed the CR of the contributing creature, this is to prevent relatively low level creatures from having extraordinarily high Save DC's on their venom. Example:

Naga Venom normally has a DC of 16, if the save is failed, the subject falls asleep for 2d4 Minutes.

Revised Naga Venom has a DC of 10+CR of a Dark Naga (8) + Half the Max Sleep Duration of 8 Minutes, 4. DC vs the Naga Venom is 22.

It's a bizarre method, but it bases the difficulty of the save off the effects of the venom itself, making more dangerous venom more difficult to save against, and weaker venom easier to save against.

Monster Manual 1 Venom

A list of the Poisons that I found in Monster Manual 1 and converted for your convenience.

Name	DC	Duration/Incubation	Damage/Round	Attribute Damage	Secondary Damage
Black Adder Venom	DC14	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Con Damage	None
Wyvern Venom	DC16	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	4 Con Damage	None
Giant Wasp Venom	DC18	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dex Damage	None
Purple Worm Venom	DC27	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Strength Damage	None
Aranea Venom	DC19	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Strength Damage	None
Couatl Venom	DC29	4 Rounds	12 Damage/Round	6 Strength Damage	None
Bebilith Venom	DC25	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Con Damage	None
Drider Venom	DC21	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Ettercap Venom	DC18	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Strength Damage	None
Violet Fungus	DC15	8 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	1 Strength, 1 Constitution Damage	None
Homunculus Venom	DC12	6 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Sleep 5d6 Minutes
Medusa Venom	DC22	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Strength Damage	None
Naga Venom	DC22	16 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Sleep for 2d4 Minutes
Guardian Naga Venom	DC26	10 Rounds	10 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Spirit Naga Venom	DC26	10 Rounds	10 Damage/Round	2 Damage	None
Phase Spider Venom	DC20	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Damage	None
Pseudodragon Venom	DC12	6 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	1d3 Hour Sleep
Spider Eater Venom	DC20	8 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	1d8+5 Week Paralysis
Centipede Swarm Venom	DC17	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Hellwasp Swarm Venom	DC24	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Giant Bee Venom	DC14	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Tiny Viper Venom	DC12	1 Rounds	1 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Small Viper Venom	DC13	2 Rounds	2 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Medium Viper Venom	DC13	3 Rounds	3 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Large Viper Venom	DC15	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Huge Viper Venom	DC17	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Tiny Centipede Venom	DC12	1 Rounds	1 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Small Centipede	DC13	2 Rounds	2 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Medium Centipede Venom	DC13	3 Rounds	3 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Large Centipede Venom	DC14	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Huge Centipede Venom	DC16	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Gargantuan Centipede Venom	DC21	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Colossal Centipede Venom	DC27	6 Rounds	12 Damage/Round	4 Dexterity Damage	None
Tiny Scorpion Venom	DC12	1 Rounds	1 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Small Scorpion Venom	DC13	2 Rounds	2 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Medium Scorpion Venom	DC13	3 Rounds	3 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Large Scorpion Venom	DC16	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Huge Scorpion Venom	DC21	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Gargantuan Scorpion Venom	DC25	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Colossal Scorpion Venom	DC28	10 Rounds	10 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Tiny Spider Venom	DC13	2 Rounds	2 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Small Spider Venom	DC13	3 Rounds	3 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Medium Spider Venom	DC14	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Large Spider Venom	DC16	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Huge Spider Venom	DC20	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Gargantuan Spider Venom	DC26	6 Rounds	12 Damage/Round	4 Strength Damage	None
Colossal Spider Venom	DC31	8 Rounds	16 Damage/Round	4 Strength Damage	None

Monster Manual 2 Venom

A list of the poisons I found in the Monster Manual 2 and converted for your convenience.

Name	DC	Duration/Incubation	Damage/Round	Attribute Damage	Secondary Damage
Bogun Venom	DC15	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Bone Naga Venom	DC24	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Abyssal Ravager Venom	DC23	6 Rounds	12 Damage/Round	4 Strength Damage	None
Advespa Venom	DC16	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Dire Toad	DC18	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Dire Snake	DC20	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Immoth Venom	DC27	6 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	1d6+2 Round Paralysis
Legendary Snake Venom	DC23	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Megapede Venom	DC41	6 Rounds	16 Damage/Round	4 Constitution, 2 Dexterity Damage	None
Neogi Venom	DC13+CR	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Wisdom Damage	None
Wortling Venom	DC16	10 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Sleep for 1d10 Minutes
Thri-Kreen Venom	DC17	6 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Paralysis for 2d6 Minutes
Twig Blight Venom	DC11	1 Rounds	1 Damage/Round	1 Strength Damage	None
Arcanaloth Venom	DC11	1 Rounds	1 Damage/Round	1 Strength Damage	None
Scorpionfolk Venom	DC20	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None

• Titanic Creatures are covered in this book as well, but its a case by case basis.

Monster Manual 3 Venom

While it's titled as a venom conversion, there are a few Poisons that have different delivery methods and I figured it'd be worth converting them as well for convenience sake.

Name	DC	Duration/Incubation	Damage/Round	Attribute Damage	Secondary Damage
Ambush Drake Venom	DC19	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Astral Stalker Venom	DC26	4 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	1d4 Round Paralysis
Fleshraker Venom	DC16	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Swindlespitter Poison	Contact DC12	4 Rounds	2 Damage/Round	1 Constitution Damage	2d4 Round Blindness
Dread Blossom Poison	Inhale DC21	10 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	10 round Paralysis
Web Golem Venom	DC21	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Harpoon Spider Venom	DC19	6 Rounds	9 Damage/Round	3 Dexterity Damage	None
Dread Harpoon Spider Venom	DC27	6 Rounds	12 Damage/Round	4 Dexterity Damage	None
Prismatic Roper Venom	DC21	6 Rounds	3 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Paralysis for 3 Rounds
Ssvaklor Venom	DC24	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Paralysis for 4 Rounds
Greater Ssvaklor Venom	DC35	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	1 Constitution Damage	Paralysis for 4 Rounds
Stonesinger Venom	DC20	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	Petrifies if HP Hits 0*
Vermin Lord Venom	DC32	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None

• If the venom itself reduces your HP to 0, you're petrified, if your HP reaches 0 while under the effects of the venom, you're petrified.

Monster Manual 4 Venom

As an extra note as this is part of the Alchemy Revision, MM4 Stocks enemies with Potions that no longer exist. Changing all of these would take an extreme amount of time, while I could do this, i think it benefits better from DM choice with any of the available potions in the revision.

Name	DC	Duration/Incubation	Damage/Round	Attribute Damage	Secondary Damage
Howler Wasp Venom	DC15	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Howler Wasp Queen Venom	DC20	8 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	2 Dexterity Damage	None
Inferno Spider Venom	DC24	6 Rounds	12 Fire Damage/Round	0 Damage	None
Lolth Touched Spider Venom	DC17	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None
Nagatha	DC20	4 Rounds	8 Damage/Round	4 Wisdom Damage	None
Sailsnake Poison	Contact DC12	4 Rounds	0 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Blinds for 1d4 Rounds
Tomb Spider Venom	DC18	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	0 Damage	Heal from Negative energy, Damage by Positive
Tomb Spider Broodswarm Venom	DC14	4 Rounds	4 Damage/Round	0 Damage	As above
Halfblood Yuan-Ti Venom	DC20	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None
Yuan-Ti Cult Leader Venom	DC23	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Constitution Damage	None

Monster Manual 5 Venom

Name	DC	Duration/Incubation	Damage/Round	Attribute Damage	Secondary Damage
Vivesector Venom	DC18	6 Rounds	6 Damage/Round	2 Strength Damage	None