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:::"Diplomacy is a broken skill. Every class can use it. Therefore, every class is broken." <-- That is the potential logic that means we generally do not consider the Diplomacy skill in considering a class's balance. It's really not fair to say the class is broken on the basis of having access to that skill. Besides, Pun-Pun already speaks every language, so it's not like he was immune to Diplomacy before this ability. --[[User:DanielDraco|DanielDraco]] 03:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC) | :::"Diplomacy is a broken skill. Every class can use it. Therefore, every class is broken." <-- That is the potential logic that means we generally do not consider the Diplomacy skill in considering a class's balance. It's really not fair to say the class is broken on the basis of having access to that skill. Besides, Pun-Pun already speaks every language, so it's not like he was immune to Diplomacy before this ability. --[[User:DanielDraco|DanielDraco]] 03:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::::Expounding a bit on the rest, namely the number of attacks. I took a cue from the Pathfinder monk, giving it attacks suitable to a full BAB, though not a carbon copy and arguably worse since the BAB is kept the same, I just give the extra attacks (PF monks actually are hitting at +20 at 20th in flurries). The end result is your usual 15/10/5, and then four more attacks at your highest BAB. Since monks hitting often was never a big concern, giving them more chances to hit seems like a good move to me. They don't call it "flurry of misses" for nothing. -- [[User:Eiji-kun|Eiji-kun]] 04:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
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| There are too many attacks. Two more than a monk which already has plenty.
And you gain the most powerful class feature ever seen 8 levels earlier. The only class feature that would allow you to beat Pun-Pun if he was mindless. |
The Most Powerful Feature
Not sure which class feature you're referring to. -- Eiji-kun 19:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
- Tongue of the Sun and Moon. The only thing that allows you to use Diplomacy (the ultimate skill) on anything living. This effectively mean a 9th level diplomancer Zen Monk can beat Pun-Pun, not least. The diplomat monk was already an issue, but not too far before taking the Polyglot feat.--Idlem 02:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Pfft.... r-really? R....really? I.... Uh....
- "Diplomacy is a broken skill. Every class can use it. Therefore, every class is broken." <-- That is the potential logic that means we generally do not consider the Diplomacy skill in considering a class's balance. It's really not fair to say the class is broken on the basis of having access to that skill. Besides, Pun-Pun already speaks every language, so it's not like he was immune to Diplomacy before this ability. --DanielDraco 03:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Expounding a bit on the rest, namely the number of attacks. I took a cue from the Pathfinder monk, giving it attacks suitable to a full BAB, though not a carbon copy and arguably worse since the BAB is kept the same, I just give the extra attacks (PF monks actually are hitting at +20 at 20th in flurries). The end result is your usual 15/10/5, and then four more attacks at your highest BAB. Since monks hitting often was never a big concern, giving them more chances to hit seems like a good move to me. They don't call it "flurry of misses" for nothing. -- Eiji-kun 04:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
