View source for Talk:Death's Grain (3.5e Equipment)

== Ratings ==
{{Rating |rater=Foxwarrior
|rating=neutral
|reason=It's a neat plot-device gadget, and I respect your decision not to have a saving throw, but a lack of creation rules makes this a little bit hard to properly establish in a campaign setting.
}}How is this an artifact?  Isn't this essentially an exotic poison?--[[User:Tavis McCricket|Tavis McCricket]] 18:44, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
:its also a "no save, you die". what if you're immune to death effects and such? it should have a save attached. probably like dc 14 or something--[[User:NameViolation|NameViolation]] 22:05, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

::Since this doesn't act quickly enough to be useful in combat (plus the fact that it's ingested as food) make it unworthy of being a poison. And since remove curse, etc. before the time elapses is all that's necessary to remove it, I wouldn't consider it any legitimate threat to a party at a level appropriate for minor artifacts. It seems more of a plot device that wouldn't personally affect the party than anything else to me. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 22:39, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

:::Not even ''remove curse''. ''Remove disease''. This is basically an ingestion-vector poison with an aftereffect that requires ''resurrection'' to cure.

:::An amusing note: the way this is worded, if you happen to be immune to being turned into a mindless undead for whatever reason, you don't even die (since it doesn't say "you die and turn into a mindless undead"). It does appear to penetrate immunity to Death effects, and is actually able to affect vampires and liches who don't get treatment. :D --[[User:Quantumboost|Quantumboost]] 23:24, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

:::: but it says poison, which undead are immune to. otherwise DICK MOVE!!! Put holy wafers of it in a vampires mouth...poof hes a zombie, kill it. done. Same with lich. actually with a lich you could argue your soul goes to the phylactery and the body left behind becomes a zombie. but still the wording needs to be changed --[[User:NameViolation|NameViolation]] 23:48, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

::::: Actually, no. The word "poison" doesn't appear one single time in the entire article. Although yeah, this would probably qualify as a disease, so undead would be immune. Still, ''death ward'' for instance wouldn't apply, since this isn't marked as a Death effect. --[[User:Quantumboost|Quantumboost]] 23:52, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==

*Could a player grow and cultivate Death's Grain?  Effectively creating "Death's Crop"?
*Would the pollen from "Death's Crop" cause people who breathe it in to suffer a similar fate (one could wipe out an entire country-side with such an item, much more effective than forcing them all to eat evil bread)?
*If you eat it, it should be an immediate save vs. death (DC 14 Fort?), then, 2d4 hours later, have to save again.
*If it's an artifact, shouldn't it do something omqwtfbbq-lost-my-socks awesome (like turn people into badass, yet still mindless, undead?)
*Better yet, have people slain by the grain turn into Famine Spirits (pg. 96, MM2).
--[[User:Tavis McCricket|Tavis McCricket]] 05:26, April 30, 2010 (UTC)